Seriously the last one was brilliant. Well acted, tons of fantastic and well executed ideas, the deliciously creepy Halloween throwback, the novel fan cam, a slew of slow and nervous moments... yeah I don't see how anyone could have been disappointed by the third one. It's very rare when a third film especially in a horror franchise is as well done as that one was, but maybe it's not all that surprising because of the choice of directors.
Look. You would be hard pressed to find a bigger Halloween fan than myself, and I'm one of the very few ardent defenders of Rob Zombie's films... but if PA4 is as good as the others have been, and they don't get their shit together with Halloween... I don't know. Todd Farmer apparently wrote a great script for it (I asked him if we could read it on Twitter and he said that since the studio bought it, it's out of his hands) but they put it on the backburner to film Drive Angry and said they'd get back to Halloween (the Weinsteins) after that.
So they are, but there is no director or screenwriter officially announced. Presumably it will be directed by Patrick Lussier, which is nightmarish news considering he's a fucking horrible director.
Also Rich, since you're interested... Farmer's script for Halloween 3 actually started before Halloween 2 ended. It proposed that Laurie was killing Loomis instead of Michael, that Michael wasn't actually anywhere around. And then it would go from that to Laurie in a mental institution where "the shape" arrives instead of Michael. If you don't follow, the "shape" is the entity that basically controlled Michael; in John Carpenter and Debra Hill's script for the original, Michael, in the script, is always called THE SHAPE. What they propose, at least in the screenplay format, is that its not really Michael Myers thats the killer, it's something else, some kind of mysterious evil that just used Michael as a vessel for murder.
So in Halloween 3, Laurie would be in the institution with THE SHAPE stalking her, which frankly sounds scary as fucking hell. However, the Weinsteins apparently, after buying the script, just set it aside and the last I checked they were accepting other scripts from other writers. I hope and pray to god though that they use Farmer's because that premise is fantastic, they could get Scout back (my other girlfriend for life), and several people "in the know" who read the script said it was the best Halloween screenplay they've ever read.
I'm optimistic about the film, but I'm just waiting to find out that Patrick Lussier isn't directing. If he doesn't direct it will raise my spirits. He is awful.
Holy shit. Well, I saw halloween 2 drector rob zombie commentary and he says that that last shot when Lauren is looking at her mom, that shes dead not in an institution. But since Rob isnt coming back, then theyre just gonna have Lauren there and they are just forgetting about the directors cut.
Also I didnt know anything about The Shape. That seems pretty bad ass!
lol Rob Zombie doesn't know what the fuck he was trying to do, that last bit in H2 was all over the place so I think anything is fair game.
Hahaha! Yeah I love Rob Zombie! I love the way he makes his movies and he curses on the commentaries LMAO... haha anyways, I feel bad that Dr.Loomis wont return :(
I really like Zombie as well, I like his music and I love his filmmaking aesthetic. I'm not sure I agree on all the narrative choices he made in the Halloween movies, but I still maintain that they are far and away the most well shot and acted installments in the series, at least since the first one. Is that saying much? Not at all, but still.
Basically what I love (and hate) about H2 is that it was so... heavy on like, dream-like allusions and inner guilt and such but at the same time I didn't feel it was handled very well. Like, some of it was good, and the opening in the hospital made my dick stand straight up, but then after that it just kind of drifted off into lala land with an occasional bout of gore but not much scary.
The first film he did wasn't scary either, BUT it was so well done that I didn't really mind. What I like about the IDEA of Farmer's H3 script is that it sounded like they were going back to the basics kind of with just... Laurie, the Shape, and a creepy-ass setting. Laurie is clearly going psycho and I think they could really do some creative stuff with that, like have Michael appear but you're never sure if it's Michael or Laurie killing people.
Oh, what could have been. And it still might! Keep your fingers crossed.
Well, I enjoy H1 far more than H2. I think he did super fucktastic for Halloween and all but I agree about H2 with you. I hated that the hospital scene was a dream :(
Damn My fingers are all the way crossed! I think perhaps you may enjoy H3 more than Paranormal... they seem like theyre dragging it out no? IDK thats just me though lol! But yeah, that seems creepy as hell I really hope they do that. EPICNESS.
For me it's not really a bad thing that they're dragging out PA because it's a formula that works. It's just a personal opinion, but I think they struck gold with the concept. Putting fear on film is incredibly hard if you shoot your film traditionally; there are no limits to filmmaking, but I do think it is harder to make a legitimately scary horror film shot traditionally. I mean, horror films that are actually scary (to me) that aren't found footage films are just a handful-- the original Halloween, Insidious, parts of The Exorcist, and that's about it. Literally no other horror film I've seen has actually scared me.
To elaborate, a lot of people are startled during most horror movies and they think that it scared them. But they weren't scared, they just responded to an editing gimmick. Films like The Blair Witch Project and Paranormal Activity do a great job of putting an audience right in the thick of something that feels real because of the style, but it's not really just that, it's that they've been doing a good, clever job with them. It would be easy to fuck it up (see PA2, it almost did but was still okay) but when they get it right (PA1, PA3) it's fucking marvelous.
I don't really get scared unless I'm playing a Silent Hill game and that's because I can explore the games and get into them and not have an audience bother me-- and they are genuinely scary, creepy, and demented as all fucking get out. However, Blair Witch and Paranormal are the films that have come the closest to actually scaring me when it comes to the film medium. Some people think they're terrible because they're "obviously fake," but that dolt of a comment never appealed to me as a real legitimate complaint because every single fucking movie in existence unless you're talking about a documentary or something IS INDEED FAKE.
Just like with any film you have to simply get into it and not worry about whether its real or not, because it isn't. If you get up and leave and walk into Mission: Impossible, sorry, that's not real either.
Basically I think that you're not really scared unless you're worried or nervous. When you're watching something or playing something and it becomes too unbearable to keep at it-- that's when you're scared. Not when something jumps out or the editor put in a carefully placed noise or unexpected cut-- that's not horror, that's being startled, that is your brain being caught off-guard by something loud or unexpected.
REAL fear, real terror, is something that is by and large a very very rare thing to capture under any format because there is so much to real fear, it's a primal feeling that you simply cannot just replicate and make work.
They are going to end up running these horror movies into the ground too. They do it all the time. They see that they had a good thing with the first couple of PA movies so they decide that they aren't going to quit while it's still good. It's a shame really.
Well, I agree that the Paranoral Activy movies do cause fear but its just on the first viewing. Idk after the first viewing its hard to rewatch it lol, unless youre seeing it with someone who hasnt seen it before. But thats just me... whereas Halloween or Insidous you can view thsoe many times without getting tired of them.
They are going to end up running these horror movies into the ground too. They do it all the time. They see that they had a good thing with the first couple of PA movies so they decide that they aren't going to quit while it's still good. It's a shame really.
It's impossible to say. Like I said the last one was very good, by far the best horror movie of the year with some excellent ideas that were very well executed. I don't think something is run into the ground until they're clearly out of creativity and they're just trying to get more money. I'm fine with studios being greedy if it means that they're letting up and coming directors like Ariel Schulman and Henry Joost bring their ideas to a series.
If Paranormal 4 sucks, or is lackluster at least, and PA5 is the same, PA6 is the same-- that's when it has been run into the ground. SAW was run into the ground because they killed off Jigsaw and were struggling to find ways to keep it afloat. I do not, in any way whatsoever, feel that way about this series yet. Primarily though they're just meant to be new, intense horror films to be able to anticipate every Halloween season.
What's wrong with that? As long as that they're good, and they have been, I say bring it on. If they start sucking, then I'll say look-- stop while you're ahead.
I mean i still love Saw, but it couldve been something... Different? I mean the first was like a thriller its not like a gore movie. I wish they had kept the same formula less gory etc. But oh well lol, saw is ok. Better than bad less than good lolol.
I was just giving my opinion. For me, at least, I didn't find the third as great as the first couple of movies. I don't think you or anyone has to agree with me. I will go see it, like I've seen the previous three. But I'm not going to get my hopes up about it. It will be wonderful if it completely blows me out of the water.
I just thought the third was fantastic, like, it had a great feel to me, felt like a real spooky thing. The second movie, I don't know it was okay, I liked it, but the third one felt more... organic or something, more traditional... the second movie everything was really modern and they had like the four different surveillance cameras but didn't really do anything interesting with them.
The third movie since it took place a few decades prior, I felt like they had to come up with really creative things to do, and felt that they totally did. Like when that runic symbol appears on their Lite Brite, that was some creepy stuff, and I loved the relationship between Kristi and "Toby."
Is it only me that's noticing some sort of developing intelligent, thought-out and conversational aspects in Richard's comments now? Maybe I missed something.
Is it only me that's noticing some sort of developing intelligent, thought-out and conversational aspects in Richard's comments now? Maybe I missed something.
I was willing to believe you but I noticed the word "fucktastic" in one of Richard's latest posts.
"If you make yourself more than just a man... If you devote yourself to an ideal... You become something else entirely- A Legend."
I'm sorry but the only good Halloween movie is the 1978 one. After that, they just released like 20 pieces of shit as "sequels". Not to mention the horrible Rob Zombie remakes.
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I'm optimistic about the film, but I'm just waiting to find out that Patrick Lussier isn't directing. If he doesn't direct it will raise my spirits. He is awful.
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0 • Off Topic Insightful Disagree Agree Awesome LOLBasically what I love (and hate) about H2 is that it was so... heavy on like, dream-like allusions and inner guilt and such but at the same time I didn't feel it was handled very well. Like, some of it was good, and the opening in the hospital made my dick stand straight up, but then after that it just kind of drifted off into lala land with an occasional bout of gore but not much scary.
The first film he did wasn't scary either, BUT it was so well done that I didn't really mind. What I like about the IDEA of Farmer's H3 script is that it sounded like they were going back to the basics kind of with just... Laurie, the Shape, and a creepy-ass setting. Laurie is clearly going psycho and I think they could really do some creative stuff with that, like have Michael appear but you're never sure if it's Michael or Laurie killing people.
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I don't really get scared unless I'm playing a Silent Hill game and that's because I can explore the games and get into them and not have an audience bother me-- and they are genuinely scary, creepy, and demented as all fucking get out. However, Blair Witch and Paranormal are the films that have come the closest to actually scaring me when it comes to the film medium. Some people think they're terrible because they're "obviously fake," but that dolt of a comment never appealed to me as a real legitimate complaint because every single fucking movie in existence unless you're talking about a documentary or something IS INDEED FAKE.
Just like with any film you have to simply get into it and not worry about whether its real or not, because it isn't. If you get up and leave and walk into Mission: Impossible, sorry, that's not real either.
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