PROMETHEUS Official Discussion

Isaiah

@Bane Okay, what is your opinion about creating your own cinematic universe, im coming up with ideas and need some advice.

WRITE WHAT YOU KNOW.

This is the best advice you can give to anyone. Never attempt something, a genre, a vibe, that you're not interested in. I've been a huge fan of horror films since I was a kid. I've seen hundreds upon hundreds of them. I love them to the point of sickness. But 10-15 years ago, I never thought that I would actually be able to write one. I've never considered myself a good writer. I still don't think I'm a good writer. I think we have a good script because I am good about ideas and concepts and I had a co-writer who brought equally good ideas to the table. Together we formed a concoction that we both like and that has been getting very favorable impressions from those who have read it. When I found out the other day that a relatively known actress read the script and liked it to the point where she was already willing to sign up, I was a stone throw away from a heart attack. I can also write dialogue well. But writing a 90 minute film is a lot different because something always has to be happening, characters developing, ideas forming and being executed, entertainment in a variety of ways... it's complicated, whether you're writing The Social Network or Friday the 13th Part 17.

So write what you know. If you love horror, write horror. It's arguably the easiest and hardest genre to write for. But it's also rewarding. If you're a comedian, write a comedy. As far as building a cinematic universe, it's not so much about building a cinematic universe but rather by building a foundation strictly for your story. If that foundation is good, people will later judge if its a worthy cinematic universe. When you write, you shouldn't think about how good of a universe it is or if people will love it. A lot of things will factor into that: direction, art direction, atmosphere, music, the whole nine yards. The screenplay is merely a stepping stone for other artists to bring their vision to what you've written. You don't build a cinematic universe in a script, you just plant the seeds.

^:)^ ^:)^ ^:)^ Thank you @Bane . I am in the outline process of my story, I have a great story, its just that I have to pull it out of my head. Fantasy, sci-fi and supernatural films has always been my forte.

Isaiah

Just saw a commercial for Prometheus.

"Before there was Alien, there was Prometheus"

Very chilling!

silverarrowgriffin

The opening sequence of Prometheus was stunning in IMAX 3D

Bane

Okay, seriously, it's time for a fucking reality check.

This is just pathetic. We have reached an entirely new level of sad. People are praising the movie but with absolutely ridiculous and sometimes contradictory reservations. All I've seen are comments like the following, and yes, I am posting these comments from different places verbatim:

It could have been better, but it was great and I loved it!
It wasn't the best movie of all time, but it was the best sci-fi film in like three decades!
Fantastic movie but maybe not everything it could have been.
It didn't meet my expectations, but it absolutely delivered!
Ridley Scott may not be who he used to be, but he still hasn't lost his touch at all.
It wasn't scary, but it was super suspenseful and incredibly intense.
The storyline was kind of empty, but it left me thinking about so many things upon leaving the theater.
Not as great as I expected but definitely one of the better movies I've seen recently.
It didn't scare me one iota, but the entire second half left me trembling on the edge of my seat.
Not perfect, not by any stretch of the imagination, but it will likely go down as another brilliant classic from director Ridley Scott.

I don't know whether to laugh or cry. Prometheus seems to be the ultimate case in expectations raised so high that not one director on this planet or this life or the next could have met them. Even though it's great and fantastic and one of the best sci-fi films of the past three decades and incredibly intense and suspenseful and left people trembling on the edges of their seats, still, it could have been better and Ridley Scott isn't as great as he once was -- even though he has not lost his touch at all.

Martin1

Brandon, you've just got realize, life is much better lived when you understand that people are just dumb.

Bane

That's actually kind of awesome.

Darth Ledger

I applaud you for compiling that on short notice lol I really have no expectations.

But I think I'll be blown away.

I sound like one of them

Bane

IM GONE MOTHER FUCKERS

PROMETHEUS HAS LANDED

Richard

Good luck, hope you dont hate it much bane!

Hess

Good luck bro!

Darth Ledger

I'm leaving in 15 min :0

Richard

My theater has no midnight opening lol

yonythemoony

I don't know whether to laugh or cry. Prometheus seems to be the ultimate case in expectations raised so high that not one director on this planet or this life or the next could have met them. Even though it's great and fantastic and one of the best sci-fi films of the past three decades and incredibly intense and suspenseful and left people trembling on the edges of their seats, still, it could have been better and Ridley Scott isn't as great as he once was -- even though he has not lost his touch at all.

Just like purists, and the people who hated that Desplat scored DH instead of Williams.

Bane

I am so goddamn fucking pissed off right now.

yonythemoony

LMAO.

Bane

I loved the movie.

However, I do not love the marketing department

WHO LITERALLY RUINED EVERY GOD DAMN THING IN THE FUCKING TRAILERS!!!!

yonythemoony

I loved the movie.

However, I do not love the marketing department

WHO LITERALLY RUINED EVERY GOD DAMN THING IN THE FUCKING TRAILERS!!!!

Oh...

Bane

The seething hatred I feel right now toward Fox knows no bounds. I will be writing them a fucking letter that will be boiling over with rudeness and hate.

yonythemoony

lol, it's FOX. They always found the way to screw their own movies.

Bane

I'll talk about the movie when I'm in a better mood, because I found it to be quite excellent.

Jason

Good thing I only watched the 2 trailers and 1 clip. :D

Darth Ledger

PROMETHEUS - 95%

I have no idea what the rest of the planet was expecting but it was flawless to me. My heart was close to shutting down from hyperdrive during the final scene.

And visuals... Omg... Move over Tree of Life.

Darth Ledger

Even the kid who went with me who has never seen any of the alien films loved it.

Loki

the tree of life? did anyone even see that movie? :)









(refrence if u forgot not insult)

Darth Ledger

The prominent use of 'Going In' made me very, very, happy.

Ash

Not sure why they felt the need to show one of the biggest sequences of the film in every trailer and TV spot, but nvm.

RyGuy

Not sure why they felt the need to show one of the biggest sequences of the film in every trailer and TV spot, but nvm.

Hahaha agreed. We got to see it in 3D haha I didn't mind it too much but now I have a raging headache haha it was a great movie though :)

RyGuy

We got to see this in the IMAX 3D and I really thought it looked great. It wasn't too in your face or distracting. I only noticed it once when Noomi's hair was dangling down haha. It was well done though. :)

Martin1

Thank god I've barely seen much.

Bane

The 3D was amazing. The opening sequence had stunning photography.

Isaiah

I am a fan of the Alien movies but this had me SO CONFUSED.

Bane

I'm making a spoiler thread. This shit needs to be discussed.

Bane

GIANT FUCKING SQUID-HUGGER

Isaiah

That was so confusing.

NumberEight

I loved the movie.

However, I do not love the marketing department

WHO LITERALLY RUINED EVERY GOD DAMN THING IN THE FUCKING TRAILERS!!!!

You shouldn't have watched anything after the first trailer. I saw the first trailer and I have already forgotten everything in it. You appear to be a movie fan, so I think you should adopt that policy from now on.

Bane

Nah.

This movie is going to take some serious shit. Why? Because Prometheus is all about evolution. The main character, who has faith in the existence of God, a little more than halfway through the movie proclaims "we were so wrong!" And then, she says to David, who just asked her if she was disappointed in what she found, "who made them?" It was all about evolution and the idea that something comes from something.

So, in the story we learn that the "Engineers," aka the Space Jockeys, discovered some installation that was housing some type of biology consisting of a black gel and smaller snake-like creatures that thrive in it. Before reaching the chamber, they discover that the water source is receiving sunlight which is full of shit like Vitamin D. Think of it like Photosynthesis, the sunlight giving the water nutrients to help sustain life. Now, David takes a sample of the black gel and for reasons probably related to Peter Weyland actually being on the ship and giving direct orders to David and Vickers, he infects Holloway by putting some in his alcohol.

Then, Holloway and Shaw proceed to have sex, and whatever had infected Holloway got into Shaw. The result was Shaw having to do an emergency c-sec on herself to get whatever it is out of her, and the... let's call it the fetus had grown in a different kind of womb than it was probably meant for, receiving the same nutrients and such that a human would, so it came out as this really bizarre looking squid-type creature, or as we like to call them, a facehugger. But it was the original facehugger, the prototype. This black gel seems to be a kind of shape-shifting type of embryo if you will, basically whatever host it is implanted into, the different result.

This is further proven by what happens when the facehugger latches onto the Engineer, or Space Jockey. The facehugger then implants the engineer, and if you notice, the engineer's body resembles that of the classic xenomorphs -- and as such, when the alien is born out of the jockey, it's a prototype xenomorph.

All the above is also why I loved the story, as an ALIEN fan it really did explain how they came into being and it explained the origins of the xenomorphs and facehuggers. Whoever said that this wasn't an ALIEN prequel is full of shit.

Bane

It's usually not that bad though. Sure trailers obviously give stuff away, but I can't really recall the last time that I felt completely spoiled like I did here.

nick_hansen

Wow, I hope I haven't watched too much, really looking forward to this film. Seeing it tomorrow.

Isaiah

Okay, now its starting to make sense, but still that needed to be explained in the movie, people who arent fans of the Alien movies and doesnt know anything about the xenomorphs are gonna be confused as hell.

Bane

The thing is that there's going to be more Prometheus movies. This movie just planted the seed, if you can see what I did there.

Isaiah

@bane Yes i did.

Okay let me get this straight, because of David putting that stuff in Holloways drink, Shaw gave birth to the first facehugger and when it facehugged the Engineer it created the first xenomorph?

Bane

Yes. But keep in mind that these are very early versions of the facehuggers and xenomorphs. Something to think about are the smaller, infectious snake like creatures that attacked those two fucktards who wanted to play with it like it was a hamster or something. Shaw births the giant squid-like creature with tentacles and such and the ability to implant an egg by using the snake-like mouth, which the movie made very obvious looked the exact same as the smaller snakes. So in essence, I think everything born from the black goo is going to have similar properties of the snakes or the squid thing, which has a mouth that can project another mouth out of it (which we see in the xenomorph at the very end).

In the end they're eventually going to become the smaller facehuggers -- mixing the small size of the original snake creatures and the design of the squid.

Bane

So basically we're seeing very early evolutionary stages of the familiar aliens. Even the xenomorph at the very end looked slightly different, but it was clearly a xeno.

ezanie

fan made? official? i have no idea. but it's pretty cool yes? ;)

Bane

My biggest problem with the movie was how Shaw birthed the squid thing after having the machine cut it out of her, and SHE DIDN'T BOTHER TO TELL ANYONE ONBOARD THE SHIP ABOUT IT????

Bane

What I would have did was saved that for the end. I would have had her show signs of pregnancy up until toward the end of it, and after the ships crash, she needs to go on board and find the operation pod. During this, while she's in pain, David could have told her about the engineer coming after her, so the scene could have had multiple levels of tension -- trapped the pod during the emergency, and also worried about the engineer coming to kill her. Then the squid could have been born, the engineer breaks into the room and starts smashing the glass on the medical pod, and then the squid attacks the engineer and implants it with the egg -- then Shaw finds David's head and together they're trying to find another ship to leave on, and during THIS, the giant version of the squid appears to stop them. Shaw and David get away, leaving the squid on LV226 along with the xenomorph being born.

That's just how I would have did it, but I do this with every movie I love.

Bane

OMG

Isaiah

Okay now it is making sense, but the characterization of the characters was rushed as crap, it seemed that Ridley only made this movie just to get to that point with the facehugger and the Engineer because that part seemed the only good part of the movie. The visuals was stunning and breathtaking but that stuff should have been better explained than that. Im on twitter right now and their are people who are blasting this movie because they can't understand it.

I like it but the second one (if there will be one) better have a better script than this one because clearly this was only for fans of the Alien movies, im a fan but luckily I had @bane to help me think about it because I totally missed that part with the combination of the facehugger and the Engineer.

Darth Ledger

Just to do a 180 from yalls convo, I thought the philosophical questions raised in David's characterization was VERY WELL DONE. I especially loved his fascination with trying to be like someone from a favorite film of his.
His emotionless state caused him to seem so brutal psychologically to Shaw at times...
I thought it was realistically presented in an unrealistic environment. All the questions posed will continue to haunt certain men for the rest of their lives but, in the end, faith can live on even when everything falls against it.

Isaiah

Just found this part of the interview from Ridley Scott interesting.

Usually prequels, or movies that precede the original, close down the universe – so now we know everything we needed to know about Anakin Skywaker. We wanted Prometheus to open up the universe, so it’s not a prequel at all. It has two children, one of those children grows up to be Alien, and the other child is hopefully growing up in this other direction and, god willing, will grow up into an entirely different line of films

Now thats what im talking about, AMAZING!!!!

http://www.t3.com/features/ridley-scott-reveals-prometheus-secrets-to-t3/Ridley-Scott-interview-Part-4--Prometheus-Spoilers--Secrets