I doubt there is any propaganda in the movie. Bigelow is a very careful director in those terms and already prove it with The Hurt Locker. :)

It's a war film, there's going to be propaganda. The Hurt Locker had its fair share.

Hurt Locker just seems to skim over the millions of innocent lives lost in Iraq and focuses on the "American heroes who died to defend their country and help make Iraq a safer place." Lol no, how about a million dead and many million refugees. How does the film look when it completely ignores those topics? What stance is it taking by knowing full well these are subjects of importance and skimming over them? Is the film saying "well we don't care about the civilian deaths or the completely unjustified and unconstitutional war"? Is there anything about these conflicts? It's more about the emotional response from American soldiers. That's fine, there's nothing wrong with that, but how about not skipping over important matters such as those! By skipping over them, it takes a stance as a pro-war film.

The butcher scene makes the viewer feel for the Americans. It puts you in their mind thinking: "anyone here might kill me" as opposed to "let's find the bad guy and not kill civilians."

The film is supposed to be anti-war, I mean, war is a drug right? Then why does the main character thrive for it? Why do the scenes fill you with excitement and adrenaline rather than horror and grief? He isn't scarred by the war, he's missing it! If that's not a pro-war part of the film I don't know what is. It's the usual "Americans are here for good reason to save lives kick butt and action packed adrenaline." Yeah, no.

I'm not accusing Bigelow of purposely going "gee, I want to make a pro-war film!" Of course not, she's a good director. I'm accusing her of leaving out major components of the war that result in her film looking like a pro-war propaganda film.

And let's not forget numerous servicemen talk about the sheer unrealistic events of the movie.

Now I'm probably being biased - I am Iraqi and my family has been personal affected by this war to terrible degrees - so when I see a film like this that emphasizes the American war-action story and forgets the true horror and terrible facts behind the war many Americans ignore or do not know, well, it just pisses me the fuck off.

I know it sounds weird, loll.

It's not mind boggling hooking. The girl with the dragon tattoo, idc how lazy I might have felt, I NEVER put that book down. So yeah I like Casual Vacancy so far, but it's not amazing to keep me reading when I can do other productive things.

Like comparing Chamber of Secrets to The Dark Knight... I'm taking CoS Everytime.

Like I said, movies with emotional investments make comparing over genres difficult especially. But it's totally doable, I don't see why you can't, lmfao, these "you can't compare anything" is dumb. I can't compare LOTR and Potter because they're two different kids of fantasy. Can't compare to Star Trek and Star Wars because they're different scifis. Loll, I'll compare them if I want to :p

Like I said, if its what you're passionate about an you dislike today's main topics of science, math, tech and aren't the best at them, of course go into art. My arguing point is that right now they aren't the greatest degrees right now, not that you should change to match what's most successful.

I personally am a giant nerd, love the math and sciences and plan to major in biomedical engineering and go on to medschool. It's not for the money or job security, but I genuinely love these topics, so I don't want you to you think I'm doing this for money, I love math and science.

And doing that doesn't make you braver, I can make a similar argument: as a potential engineer going into premed, my work load will be maddening to many degrees with nights upon nights of no sleep, is that not brave? Or perhaps working 8+ years to get that job, so don't say it isn't as brave, because it is just as much.

But my point isn't for you to change, just to say they aren't the best degrees to get now. But that doesn't make them "braver" though like you say.

And why ArtDegrees aren't great? What make a Science degree so special, in comparison to a Art one?

Oh my friend. So you are basically saying that the only degrees that make you study hard are Science, Math? For your statement, what I understood is that Art Students don't study. And that's totally absurd and ridiculous. I'm currently taking an Art post-grad course and for the past week, if I got more than 2 hours a day of sleep is a lot. And honestly? Studying is the minimum you should do, independently of what course you are taking in university. And there's nothing brave about studying. It's your obligation.

And yes. Art Students are brave. And probably the bravest. Everybody know how hard is to find a job in our field, how hard is to settle a career. Even though, we try and pursue our dreams even if we don't know what lies ahead in the future. And that, is courage.

Science, math, and engineering degrees that lead into jobs based off those degrees are factual better based on almost any and all stats. That's not a rip on art degrees, they're just facts. They factually bring a better return for the investment, it's not an opinion I'm giving. This is numbers based.

And you're putting words in my mouth, seriously, did I say art students are not hardworking? No, I didn't. Did I say they don't work hard? No, I didn't. I said STEM (science technology engineering math) tend to have harder work for a longer period. There's new technology updating by the minute. Today's engineers will be obsolete in 10 years, so they have to go knowing they'll have to keep studying and to keep working around the clock to stay up to par with the rapid moving society. Art isn't on some pedestal for bravest students, and I'm NOT saying STEM students are, so don't put words in my mouth. All I'm going on about is STEM degrees are right now better. I didn't say better for you, or for people who hate it, or for people with a passion for art, but they are factual better degrees right now that bring a better return for your investment in education. And, as much we need arts, we need our doctors, scientists, and engineers way more.

Oh yeah as a kid I'd be jealous, but if I didn't have a bitch sibling and they were cool about it I'd grow to accept it.

Things I'd expect them to do:

-Get me off a hangover in a snap
-Get me quality wizard booze and wizard high as fuck
-A little engorgio on my home tv and HELLO MOTHER FUCKING 150" FLAT SCREEN TV!
-Secret boob job on my wife. Nothing she'd notice, just a slight one :p
-Same thing, but penis job for me. Nothing absurd like a footlong, but a decent size. Trolololol
-Ability to sing. I fucking hate practicing guitar and sounding like there's a bucket of nails in my throat
-Gummy worms. Life supply of gummy worms. Holy fuuuuuuuuck
-And shotgun on Their firebolt

Just a few things in return for being in their shadow.